Monday, December 11, 2006
We the people
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This post is in response to the post we the people ---- barkha dutt ----- M f Hussain
I totally agree that Hussain should not be allowed to continue what he is doing in the name of freedom of expression. However I fail to also understand why God needs to be clothed and how can He submerge His Divinity into idols. This mixing of the Creator and the created defies all reason and logic. Also what is artistic and what is vulgar? It depends on perception and then there is no end to that debate. Islam offers a simple solution. It has defined an area called SATAR which has to be covered always. For men it is the body between the navel and knees and for women it is her entire body except face and hands.
As I was unable to add my comments to JJ (there seems to be some technical issue with NDTV Blog) I am editing the post to include my comments:
Dear JJ,You explain beautifully with examples how spark is potentially present in the match-stick and as each soul is potentially divine and divinity is present everywhere waiting to manifest itself at the correct time.
Please give me one example of that potential divinity (present in idols, sun, moon etc & all created....) manifesting itself and performing only 2 tasks:
RISHTEY-NATEY Monday, December 11, 2006 9:58:22 PM
Whether it is Mf Hussain or you what is the provocation to start criticising 'HINDU WAY OF LIFE". when someone from HINDUS start criticising the prophet then all of you yell that whole world is after you. Why don't you just shut up and ask these stupid doubts from some a friend of yours, if you have any, though I doubt. I know, now, your whole community will start jumping and feel prosecuted. Some of you provoke and then sing false songs of SECULARISM. Learn to shut your mouth. Accept reality.
jj Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:08:22 AM
dear irshad
jj Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:11:40 AM
dear irshad nobody is mixing up the creator and the creator. when was the created separated from the creator in the first place.understand the true concept of god. god is not a person who sits somewhere and makes some rules to govern us. understand the concept of creation and created clearly.god is present in a potential form in every living thing. created is not separate from the creator.the whole world is nothing but a combination of matter and intelligence. above this is a divine will. the matter and the intelligence is a manifestation of this divine will
jj Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:16:03 AM
vedanta shows the way. while the koran causes an eternal separation between man and god.to use an example .... fire is the same whether present in a spark or a candle light or in a furnace or in a kithcenthe fire is present in a potential form in a match stick. but once you have the right combination of materials and you scratch the match stick against a surface, the fire manifests itself.each soul is potentially divine. divinity is present in everyone. given the right situation and the right effort, this divinity within will manifest itselfyou speak of one mohammed (pbuh) who is a messenger of god. india has been a land where throughout the ages there have been thousands of such messengers of god. So pl try to understand
Arshad Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:09:52 PM
Dear JJ,Muslims are told in the Quran to believe in all the Prophets that were sent down b4 Muhammad(pbuh)and so we do believe in the (possibly) thousands of messengers sent to India by God. However what we say is that their original teachings are no longer available in authentic and un-adulterated form and hence Muhammad(pbuh) was sent as the final Messenger of God to confirm the earlier teachings of other prophets as well as give us the final message the Quran
Rajneesh_1975 Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:09:01 PM
Dear Arshad,You believe in Muhammad being the last Prophet- it is FINE with us.However, your "statement" that the "original teachings of other Prophets are no longer available in authentic and un-adulterated form" and only Quran is the truth does not cut ice with believers of other faiths.We do not doubt the beauty and teachings of Quran. You can and should believe in it if it gives you peace and comfort- but do not say that the teachings of other "Prophets" is adultered and Unauthentic.Since, you are neither Muhammad, nor you are any of the "other Prophets".
K.Venugopal Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:10:06 PM
Dear Arshad Shaikh, Can you please answer me one simple question - who created God?
Arshad Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:44:16 PM
Thank you all for sharing your views. To Venu I quote the Quran" Lam ya lid wa lam yu lad"He (God) begets not nor was He begotten.
K.Venugopal Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:01:17 PM
Dear Arshad, Your quotation obviously means Allah sired not any children nor was He sired by any father. Does this also mean, "He (God) created not nor was He created." Since according to Quran He did create the world, does it mean that He was created too? Actually, quoting the Quran without pointing to the logic of the quotation is of no use except to the blind believer.
Arshad Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:30:37 PM
Venu thanks again. I will InshaAllah come up with more in future posts....
We the people
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This post is in response to the post we the people ---- barkha dutt ----- M f Hussain
I totally agree that Hussain should not be allowed to continue what he is doing in the name of freedom of expression. However I fail to also understand why God needs to be clothed and how can He submerge His Divinity into idols. This mixing of the Creator and the created defies all reason and logic. Also what is artistic and what is vulgar? It depends on perception and then there is no end to that debate. Islam offers a simple solution. It has defined an area called SATAR which has to be covered always. For men it is the body between the navel and knees and for women it is her entire body except face and hands.
As I was unable to add my comments to JJ (there seems to be some technical issue with NDTV Blog) I am editing the post to include my comments:
Dear JJ,You explain beautifully with examples how spark is potentially present in the match-stick and as each soul is potentially divine and divinity is present everywhere waiting to manifest itself at the correct time.
Please give me one example of that potential divinity (present in idols, sun, moon etc & all created....) manifesting itself and performing only 2 tasks:
A) Creating something out of nothing
B) giving guidance to the created(both physiological and spiritual)
This is a challenge that the created cannot meet and which is accomplished by the One True Creator of all.Thank you for your understanding and taking this interaction in a very healthy spirit of quest for the truth....
Comments
RISHTEY-NATEY Monday, December 11, 2006 9:58:22 PM
Whether it is Mf Hussain or you what is the provocation to start criticising 'HINDU WAY OF LIFE". when someone from HINDUS start criticising the prophet then all of you yell that whole world is after you. Why don't you just shut up and ask these stupid doubts from some a friend of yours, if you have any, though I doubt. I know, now, your whole community will start jumping and feel prosecuted. Some of you provoke and then sing false songs of SECULARISM. Learn to shut your mouth. Accept reality.
jj Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:08:22 AM
dear irshad
jj Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:11:40 AM
dear irshad nobody is mixing up the creator and the creator. when was the created separated from the creator in the first place.understand the true concept of god. god is not a person who sits somewhere and makes some rules to govern us. understand the concept of creation and created clearly.god is present in a potential form in every living thing. created is not separate from the creator.the whole world is nothing but a combination of matter and intelligence. above this is a divine will. the matter and the intelligence is a manifestation of this divine will
jj Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:16:03 AM
vedanta shows the way. while the koran causes an eternal separation between man and god.to use an example .... fire is the same whether present in a spark or a candle light or in a furnace or in a kithcenthe fire is present in a potential form in a match stick. but once you have the right combination of materials and you scratch the match stick against a surface, the fire manifests itself.each soul is potentially divine. divinity is present in everyone. given the right situation and the right effort, this divinity within will manifest itselfyou speak of one mohammed (pbuh) who is a messenger of god. india has been a land where throughout the ages there have been thousands of such messengers of god. So pl try to understand
Arshad Tuesday, December 12, 2006 5:09:52 PM
Dear JJ,Muslims are told in the Quran to believe in all the Prophets that were sent down b4 Muhammad(pbuh)and so we do believe in the (possibly) thousands of messengers sent to India by God. However what we say is that their original teachings are no longer available in authentic and un-adulterated form and hence Muhammad(pbuh) was sent as the final Messenger of God to confirm the earlier teachings of other prophets as well as give us the final message the Quran
Rajneesh_1975 Tuesday, December 12, 2006 6:09:01 PM
Dear Arshad,You believe in Muhammad being the last Prophet- it is FINE with us.However, your "statement" that the "original teachings of other Prophets are no longer available in authentic and un-adulterated form" and only Quran is the truth does not cut ice with believers of other faiths.We do not doubt the beauty and teachings of Quran. You can and should believe in it if it gives you peace and comfort- but do not say that the teachings of other "Prophets" is adultered and Unauthentic.Since, you are neither Muhammad, nor you are any of the "other Prophets".
K.Venugopal Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:10:06 PM
Dear Arshad Shaikh, Can you please answer me one simple question - who created God?
Arshad Wednesday, December 13, 2006 3:44:16 PM
Thank you all for sharing your views. To Venu I quote the Quran" Lam ya lid wa lam yu lad"He (God) begets not nor was He begotten.
K.Venugopal Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:01:17 PM
Dear Arshad, Your quotation obviously means Allah sired not any children nor was He sired by any father. Does this also mean, "He (God) created not nor was He created." Since according to Quran He did create the world, does it mean that He was created too? Actually, quoting the Quran without pointing to the logic of the quotation is of no use except to the blind believer.
Arshad Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:30:37 PM
Venu thanks again. I will InshaAllah come up with more in future posts....
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