Tuesday, November 14, 2006
Unity of Being
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Its a shame if NDTV is preventing me from adding comments to my own posts......be as it may I am writing a new post as response to Venus comments on Tawheed post......
Hi Venu, thanks for your comments.
This mixing-up of the Creator and the created leads to Shirk (assigning partnership in the divinity of Allah) because if the creation is inseparable to the Creator then all is divine and all is worthy of worship.
When Allah talks about creation He says BE and IT IS....that is Allah can create something out of nothing...and this is only possible for God to do....Lets not confuse the creator with the created.
Moreover Venu we have been told in the Quran to ask the Mushrikeen (those who join the Creator and created in divinity) to produce their proof. Do you Venu have any religious scripture sanctioning or teaching explicitly to worship the created ?
This is just a frank exploration of ideas and viewpoints and no offence is meant to people with other worldviews....
Comments
ruzan_shah Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56:51 AM
Hi Arshad I feel sorry for you because you are arguing with VenuI know him very well.You can try but his tactics are first he accused on false basis & when you counter his lies he first tries to doge your question then try to twist it & when he failed all over then he just conviniently forget it or act like he never accused at the first place.Anyway go ahead you will learn his tricks.By the way Mushrikeen are those who claimed they are muslims but in reality they have no faith or commitment towards what they stated. In short muslim by the name but non-muslim by their actions.Like here Venu is Hindu mushreek because he says he is Hindu but if you go through Vedic orders what he is preaching & practising is Anti Vedic.
Arshad Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:41:12 AM
Thanks Ruzan, correct me if I am wrong but the people u refer to are called MUNAFIQEEN (Hypocrites)
K.Venugopal Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:15:36 PM
Dear Arshad Shaikh, It may be taboo for a Muslim to say that the creator and his creation is one, but the Hindu has no such restrictions. In fact, as he goes deeper into his religion, his religion says exactly that – advaita – that the creator and his creation is one. You ask if we have any scriptural sanction to worship the created. Actually, all Vedas are a eulogy to nature and its marvels, including the spirit within it all – God. About the precise techniques of worship, hasn’t Mohammad said that if done in the right spirit, even sex is worship? So simply contemplating the beauty of nature and coming up with an exquisite poem is also a form of worship.Incidentally, you titled your blog “Unity of Being”. May I say this is true Tawheed – not just the unity of God but the unity of everything that is?Ruzan says the Vedas talk about worship of one God. But the Vedas are not like the Quran, which eternally separates the Creator and his Creation. The Vedas say that the truth is one, and it means that the truth includes the creator and the created. Arshad, I appreciate the calm way you have communicated. Ruzan, my friend though he is, tends to get emotional at times.
MUNEERUDEEN Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:03:29 AM
OK YOU GUYS AND GALS OUT THERE ON BLOGOSPHERE !ATTENTION ALL ISLAM BASHERS !YOUR ANCESTORS DID THE SAME AND NOW YOU HAVE GOT THE INTERNET & BLOGS TO BLASPHEME ! BUT LET ME ASK YOU - DARWIN SAID MAN WAS AN APE- AETHISTS SAID THERE IS NO GOD - SCIENTISTS DECIDED TO CHANGE GENETICS AND START HUMAN CLONING - ASTRONOMERS SUDDENLY RELISED THAT PLUTO IS NOT A PLANET -JEWS AND NEOCONS SUDDENLY REALISED IRAQ HAS TO BE SPLIT UP TO ROB THE OIL AND SELL MILITARY HARDWARE. AND YOU LEARNED FOLKS HAVE NO COMMENTS TO THAT. USE YOUR BRAINS AND THINK !WHAT IS BEING DISCOVERED NOW IS ALREADY PUT THERE BY SOMONE- NOT YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS OR MINE -COS THEY WERE MONKEYS -APES- REMEMBER ? OH HOW CAN YOU REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK !SO FORGET WHAT THE QURAN OR ISLAM HAS TO SAY TO SOCIETY AND MAN - YOU BRING THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT ! SCIENCE JUST CALCULATES LIFE MILLIONS OF YEARS BACK BUT CANNOT ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION TO A NURSERY KID ? MAY BE YOU CAN GIVE IT A TRY !QUESTION: WHICH CAME FIRST- THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG ???I AM WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FROM ANY OF YOU ON THIS OR ANY OTHER SITEkmktrust@gmail.comAttn Bro Arshad Shaikh. I faced a similar situation and I had to write the above on some Anti- Islam Blogs.Pls send me your links to sites.
Unity of Being
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Its a shame if NDTV is preventing me from adding comments to my own posts......be as it may I am writing a new post as response to Venus comments on Tawheed post......
Hi Venu, thanks for your comments.
This mixing-up of the Creator and the created leads to Shirk (assigning partnership in the divinity of Allah) because if the creation is inseparable to the Creator then all is divine and all is worthy of worship.
When Allah talks about creation He says BE and IT IS....that is Allah can create something out of nothing...and this is only possible for God to do....Lets not confuse the creator with the created.
Moreover Venu we have been told in the Quran to ask the Mushrikeen (those who join the Creator and created in divinity) to produce their proof. Do you Venu have any religious scripture sanctioning or teaching explicitly to worship the created ?
This is just a frank exploration of ideas and viewpoints and no offence is meant to people with other worldviews....
Comments
ruzan_shah Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56:51 AM
Hi Arshad I feel sorry for you because you are arguing with VenuI know him very well.You can try but his tactics are first he accused on false basis & when you counter his lies he first tries to doge your question then try to twist it & when he failed all over then he just conviniently forget it or act like he never accused at the first place.Anyway go ahead you will learn his tricks.By the way Mushrikeen are those who claimed they are muslims but in reality they have no faith or commitment towards what they stated. In short muslim by the name but non-muslim by their actions.Like here Venu is Hindu mushreek because he says he is Hindu but if you go through Vedic orders what he is preaching & practising is Anti Vedic.
Arshad Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:41:12 AM
Thanks Ruzan, correct me if I am wrong but the people u refer to are called MUNAFIQEEN (Hypocrites)
K.Venugopal Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:15:36 PM
Dear Arshad Shaikh, It may be taboo for a Muslim to say that the creator and his creation is one, but the Hindu has no such restrictions. In fact, as he goes deeper into his religion, his religion says exactly that – advaita – that the creator and his creation is one. You ask if we have any scriptural sanction to worship the created. Actually, all Vedas are a eulogy to nature and its marvels, including the spirit within it all – God. About the precise techniques of worship, hasn’t Mohammad said that if done in the right spirit, even sex is worship? So simply contemplating the beauty of nature and coming up with an exquisite poem is also a form of worship.Incidentally, you titled your blog “Unity of Being”. May I say this is true Tawheed – not just the unity of God but the unity of everything that is?Ruzan says the Vedas talk about worship of one God. But the Vedas are not like the Quran, which eternally separates the Creator and his Creation. The Vedas say that the truth is one, and it means that the truth includes the creator and the created. Arshad, I appreciate the calm way you have communicated. Ruzan, my friend though he is, tends to get emotional at times.
MUNEERUDEEN Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:03:29 AM
OK YOU GUYS AND GALS OUT THERE ON BLOGOSPHERE !ATTENTION ALL ISLAM BASHERS !YOUR ANCESTORS DID THE SAME AND NOW YOU HAVE GOT THE INTERNET & BLOGS TO BLASPHEME ! BUT LET ME ASK YOU - DARWIN SAID MAN WAS AN APE- AETHISTS SAID THERE IS NO GOD - SCIENTISTS DECIDED TO CHANGE GENETICS AND START HUMAN CLONING - ASTRONOMERS SUDDENLY RELISED THAT PLUTO IS NOT A PLANET -JEWS AND NEOCONS SUDDENLY REALISED IRAQ HAS TO BE SPLIT UP TO ROB THE OIL AND SELL MILITARY HARDWARE. AND YOU LEARNED FOLKS HAVE NO COMMENTS TO THAT. USE YOUR BRAINS AND THINK !WHAT IS BEING DISCOVERED NOW IS ALREADY PUT THERE BY SOMONE- NOT YOU OR YOUR ANCESTORS OR MINE -COS THEY WERE MONKEYS -APES- REMEMBER ? OH HOW CAN YOU REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK !SO FORGET WHAT THE QURAN OR ISLAM HAS TO SAY TO SOCIETY AND MAN - YOU BRING THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT ! SCIENCE JUST CALCULATES LIFE MILLIONS OF YEARS BACK BUT CANNOT ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION TO A NURSERY KID ? MAY BE YOU CAN GIVE IT A TRY !QUESTION: WHICH CAME FIRST- THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG ???I AM WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FROM ANY OF YOU ON THIS OR ANY OTHER SITEkmktrust@gmail.comAttn Bro Arshad Shaikh. I faced a similar situation and I had to write the above on some Anti- Islam Blogs.Pls send me your links to sites.
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